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Can we have a source cited for him being an ordaned minister, please? This seems unusual for an investment banker.

Done Ian3055 23:14, 25 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Chinese?

Why is there a Chinese version of his name given? His name, biography (in this article) and appearance ([1]) make it pretty clear that he is not himself Chinese. 81.187.153.189 (talk) 21:52, 23 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Sociopath

This man must be a sociopath to be a minister, a lord and on the banking reform committee and also be the man in charge of a bank that laundered money for Mexican cartels. It would be interesting to see a cat scan of his brain and especially the region of the orbitofrontal cortex. 97.85.168.22 (talk) 09:30, 20 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Between 2003-2010, Green tilled the helm after serial stints directing The Bank of Bermuda Ltd., HSBC Mexico, SA, HSBC Private Banking Holdings (Suisse) SA and HSBC North American Holdings Inc.; units which feature prominently in the scandal. Sensing perhaps that the jig was up, last year he joined David Cameron's Conservative government as Minister of State for Trade and Investment.
Unlike Pappy Bush who claimed to be "out of the loop" during the Iran-Contra guns-for-drugs affair, Green was fully apprised of bank shenanigans and the Senate published emails which prove it.
Cheekily however, while underlings take the fall, Green told The Daily Telegraph, "I do not believe that I have a case to answer other than in the important sense that as chairman and chief executive I was responsible for what the company did. HSBC has expressed regret for the failures. I share that regret." http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/n...g-scandal.html
The Telegraph noted that Green has not considered resigning from Cameron's government, saying he was "very engaged" with his current plum post.
Ironically enough, the current Baron of Hurstpierpoint is an ordained priest in the Church of England and the author of an inspirational tome, Good Value: Reflections on Money, Morality and an Uncertain World. And no, you can't make this stuff up!

97.85.168.22 (talk) 10:34, 20 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Criticism

I've just removed a section entitled criticism, since it seemed to be phrased in a way that was seriously non-NPOV. Perhaps someone has time to reinstate it in a more NPOV way? The Parson's Cat (talk) 18:33, 9 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]

The 'Criticism' section has since been reinstated (in good faith) - but as the contents relate to Green's career it would be better to integrate them into the article there as per WP:Criticism. I'll try to get down to it in a couple of days (if no-one has beforehand). In the meantime, the article is fine as it stands: the criticisms are referenced and don't say anything which has not already been widely reported by reliable sources for some years now. e.g. http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-18958335 and http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-18970710 (and Private Eye have been reporting this for at least five years now, without any legal action...) JezGrove (talk) 23:30, 9 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Hi Jez. It's the phrasing I think is an issue: the sources are not exactly neutral, and what was there seemed to me not to conform to WP:BLPSTYLE. I'm sure your edits will fix a lot of this. The Parson's Cat (talk) 09:36, 10 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]

What would people feel about an change along the following lines?

In 2012, Green was challenged by shadow financial secretary Chris Leslie after US regulators fined HSBC for money laundering during the period Green had been in charge;^[1] the Department for Business, Innovation and Skills issued a statement saying that Green shared HSBC's regret for the events that had led to this.^[1]. In February 2015, the BBC's Panorama programme investigated HSBC's alleged involvement in world-wide tax evasion during Green's period in charge.^[2] The BBC reported that Green had refused to comment.^[3]

The Parson's Cat (talk) 18:55, 12 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]

References

^ ^a ^b Treanor, Jill (11 December 2012). "Bleak day for British banking as Libor arrests follow record fine for HSBC". London: Guardian.
^ "HSBC bank 'helped clients dodge millions in tax'". BBC News. 10 February 2015. Retrieved 12 February 2015.
^ "HSBC bank: Ex-boss Stephen Green refuses to comment". BBC News. 9 February 2015. Retrieved 12 February 2015.

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[Treanor2012-1] Treanor, Jill (11 December 2012). "Bleak day for British banking as Libor arrests follow record fine for HSBC". London: Guardian.

[2] "HSBC bank 'helped clients dodge millions in tax'". BBC News. 10 February 2015. Retrieved 12 February 2015.

[3] "HSBC bank: Ex-boss Stephen Green refuses to comment". BBC News. 9 February 2015. Retrieved 12 February 2015.

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